My lead generation business happens to be the fastest growing department in the company, with 350% year over year growth. Over the course of a year, the lead generation business grew from 1 person to 9 employees and by the end of the year I would like to have at least 20 in lead gen. So far we are only active in the Czech Republic where we are getting the proof of concept right before we expand abroad in the next few months.
At this point we are very close to doing $100k in revenue (we should pass that level next month) a month from lead gen with a 35% gross margin. It still contributes very little profit in comparison to my domain portfolio, but it is a huge growth business that in 2 years time could be a substantial contributor to our EBITDA. Our revenue target for 2010 is $1.8 million, which should be very attainable.
In the past year we’ve done a lot of tweaking of the model, implementing new marketing channels etc and I am pretty sure we’re getting the model right now. I’d like to share our model with with you guys. Maybe it could bring some inspiration to you or you could in exchange share some of your ideas how we can further improve.
90% of our lead generation business is finance – personal loans, payday loans, mortgages, credit cards, car insurance, life insurance etc. We are trying to expand the model into other areas now such as telco and utilities, but that’s still going to take time.
We work with clients only directly. Our selling point is pretty much this – Let us handle your performance marketing, instead of clicks we will provide you with more targeted leads (where you can exactly measure the performance) and we can generate volume. And lastly, we put our money where our mouth is – we invest in all the media buying on our own account and hope we will make the money back on leads. Compare this to various SEO/SEM consultants that offer ambiguous advice.
Once we have secured the client we build a professional landing page (we now have a lot of experience with this) that will convert well. Then the integral part is the marketing mix. The marketing is really just a form of arbitrage where you want the money that you spend on advertising to make you more on leads. This involves a lot of testing, measuring conversions etc. Currently our marketing mix that we find to work looks like this:
- Killer domain – we own some of the best generics in the finance sector in the .cz namespace such as the equivalent of “loans.cz” – pujcky.cz (example of our lead gen site).
- PPC – we buy quite a lot of clicks via Seznam.cz (largest Czech portal) and Google and arbitrage that against the leads
- SEO – we work hard to get organic rankings and happen to be pretty good at that
- Affiliates – we created our own affiliate network which now has more than 360 affiliates and is on of the top5 affiliate networks in .cz
- Display advertisig – since we need to create volume, we are also a pretty big spender on display advertising. Downside is that leads from display convert worse for advertisers than say, from ppc. But you need it for the volume.
- Email – we still haven’t realized the full potential of email marketing, although we have collected an opt-in database of over 110,000 email addresses. Still a lot of potential there.
- Mobile marketing – since we usually have the mobile numbers of people, we are starting to experiment with this as well. So far we mainly use mobile marketing as a way to improve to quality of leads for our clients – for example by certifying that the customers mobile phone number is real. We could use mobile marketing more aggressively though.
So this is pretty much how our model works and I am sure we are getting it pretty right.
So how do we plan to grow our lead generation business this year? Mainly through 3 opportunities:
- Focus on more sectors – As I said, we want to diversify more into telco, utilities, travel etc.
- Take a jump up the value chain – We want to be able to offer clients not just a lead, but also the closing of the sale and hence take a bigger cut of the action. We are starting to build our own callcenter for this.
- Expand abroad – This is probably where the biggest potential is. Our marketing mix may be a little bit different though. I see a lot of potential in especially arbitraging my domain traffic to leads. I currently get about 700k uniques a day so that’s a decent supply of traffic.
#1 by D on February 23, 2010 - 09:55
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Too much work, I will stick with my parking
#2 by Ed on February 23, 2010 - 10:08
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Hi Sisyphus,
I’m curious if you noticed any particular design practices for your website/landing pages that stood out and made a positive impact in your conversion rate?
Thanks!
#3 by Sisyphus on February 23, 2010 - 10:11
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Ed – To be honest, I don’t really get into these details as they are handled by my lead genearation team.
#4 by Jamie Parks on February 23, 2010 - 11:49
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700k uniques a day is hardcore.. lot of eyes to monetize.. when u can accurately identify exactly why they arrived and somehow (unobtrusively) follow up with them, you’ll have a very effective and efficient $ystem..
#5 by LMN on February 23, 2010 - 14:53
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Great post! I am new to this internet marketing stuff and have a few finance related .com domains that would make great lead generators. So far your post has given me a better understanding of the business model. It would be great if someone created a step by step tutorial on the business from choosing a domain to the launch of the site.
#6 by Logan on February 23, 2010 - 16:25
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Congrats on the success with lead gen!
#7 by Stephen Douglas_ Successclick.com on February 23, 2010 - 16:36
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Hi Jan,
You’re an interesting character. You’re Czech, but you speak perfect English, better than any other bloggers you admire. Your syntax, grammar and inflections are correct, and your logical paragraphical meters are well-placed. So how did you become such a great writer of the English language?
What I really wanted to ask you is something deeper to your heart, per your initial blog post. You say you have a love for existentialism/absurdism, and of course you name Camus as a source of your inspiration.
I prefer Kierkegaard to Camus, and tend to be a follower of the philology of Nietzsche, where the structure of thought doesn’t need to be relegated to knowledge in general but taking the perspectivism as its own subjective outcome based on who believes in it.
This brings me to my questioning of your choice of the handle, “SISYPHUS.” For those who don’t know who this is, “Sisyphus” is the name of a Greek mythological king who was known as the “best of knaves” and an immoral evil trickster who, although successful in fooling Zeus and a few other gods for a short time, was cursed by Zeus to endure eternity futilely pushing a boulder up a mountain, just to have it roll back down again. Hence, “Sisyphean” work is recognized as being useless.
So it puzzles me why you would approach the domain community with this name, and then posit your ideas and knowledge of the details on domain monetization and “generational growth” of the domaining industry. I think I can see where you’re leaning (financial domains), and your ultimate goal, but I wouldn’t want to make that leap until I learned more about you…
I think your comments in your posts are well-written, although based on a compilation of known facts and characters in this industry. Your marketing moves have captured the attention of many domainers. It’s also interesting your launchpoint was from Elliotsblog.
For someone who claims to only have been domaining for 2 years and a few months, you are clearly the most astute domain noobie I’ve ever seen in the 12 years I’ve been domaining.
Any further assumptions on my part would be unfair until I know more about you. However, your blitzkrieg on the domaining scene has been strategically genius, and outwardly you’ve covered your bases. How will closer inspection play out is something I am looking forward to.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to write to you on your new blog.
#8 by Don M on February 23, 2010 - 23:15
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What your are thoughts on a paypertransaction model vs pay per lead.
Let’s say you get $10.00 per click for auto that is easy with any affiliate here in US, and or $25.00 for a auto lead. What if you could get $300.00 per transaction or per auto policy sold.
This would then bypass the lead method and would possibly get more money for your click than a lead.
Would cost company nothing they would not have to track leads or CPC, your clicks are only based on quality.
Question is, how many of those clicks that cost 10 bucks and or 25.00 to the insurance company turn into sales?
Are they paying 2,000 just for 100 hits on g- adwords?. Yes!
So what is the transaction worth to an insurance company?
300, 400, 500?
Don M
#9 by Adam on February 24, 2010 - 07:02
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Hey are you at leadscon.com this week ? If not I’ll be at the next one in NYC . Maybe catch you there.
#10 by Bob on February 24, 2010 - 07:39
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Excellent post! Very insightful and inspiring as I’m heading into that space….
#11 by Sisyphus on February 24, 2010 - 08:57
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Stephen – Well I went to an English highschool in Prague and then to college to London. I wouldn’t say I’m that fond of existentialism in a way that I was in highschool, back then it was really my modus operandi. I didn’t really like Kirkegaard back then that much, since I viewed him as abandoning “the struggle” by making a leap of faith towards God. I have to say I have taken lots from Nietzsche, especially when it comes to ideas how the weak try to restrain the strong (i.e the emergence of the slave-morality) etc. I also completely agree with him that philosophy took a wrong turn from Plato onwards. The problem that I have with Nietzsche now-a-days though is that there really isn’t any room for “heart” and compassion, which I believe would eventually drive you bonkers. As to why I’ve used the Sisyphus handle – it obviously is an allusion to Camus’ essay the Myth of Sisyphus but it also to some extent reflects the current state I think I’m in. Otherwise thank you for the kind words!
Don M – The small problem of pay-per-transaction I have is that you are basically at the mercy of the e-commerce provider, if his systems, product, user interface etc are bad, all your efforts go down the drain. With leads I like that you really control your own destiny.
Adam – Unfortunately not, but I should start going. I can meet you i Milan though if you will be around?
Bob – thx!
#12 by Stephen Douglas_ Successclick.com on February 24, 2010 - 09:54
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@Jan,
Thanks for your reply. I agree on some of your points regarding Nietzsche and Kierkegaard both – what a mental enigma they provide at the same time luring us into a sensibility of doubt. I didn’t take into consideration your integration of the Myth of Sisyphus by Camus in choosing the handle… mea culpa, bro!
Look forward to hearing more from you.
#13 by Jarrod on March 1, 2010 - 22:27
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Which affiliates have you had the most success in from top to bottom (personal loans, payday loans, mortgages, credit cards, car insurance, life insurance)?
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