Posts Tagged Rick Latona

Moniker puts together best auction inventory EVER

When Rick Latona & co stormed into the domain auction game with sealing a deal to organize the TRAFFIC conferences, I sort of felt Moniker was losing its drive in the live auction game.  Fast forward a year or so and I think Moniker is back in full strength. Monte just sent me a list of names that will be auctioned off at NYC Domainfest on August 18th. I’m not affraid to claim that it is probably the best domain auction catalogue I have ever seen, take a look for yourself>

Dating names:

Companion.com, Dating.net, Lightning.com, Partner.com, Newlyweds.com,
SeniorCitizens.com, Bridalsets.com, Confession.com,
marriagelicences.net, night.com

Financial and Real-estate:

Stocks.com, Stockquotes.com, Rate.com, Quotes.com, ByOwner.com,
Creditrate.com, Commercialbank.com, CreditCardLoans.com,
FreeCreditReports.us, LoanApplications.com, Grant.com, assurance.com,
authorization.com, investmentplanning.com, inspection.com, ravioli.com

Local/City search names:

Streetmaps.com, LocalNews.com, TheUnitedStates.com, jerseyshores.org,
coneyisland.net, newyorkapartments.com, bigapple.com,

Apparel/Fashion:

TShirts.com, DiscountJeans.com, DancingShoes.com, kidsfashion.com,

Music/Entertainment, Social:

Cable.com, Cabletelevision.com/net, Artist.com, Blogs.net, Message.com,
Disco.com, rockbands.com, reggae.com, partygifts.com, dvdrental.com,
drummers.com, cigarbars.com, voters.com

Food/Health:

veggies.com, supplement.com, ravioli.com, premedical.com,
physicians.com, natural.net, invitro.com, babyadoptions.com,
stromboli.com, alcohol.com, coffeebeans.com, hamburgers.com,

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So how big is this pie we are all after?

Ever since I started in domaining, I’ve been trying to gauge the size of the market. I think over the years I’ve gotten better at it, so here is my take (I appreciate any feedback in the commentary section if you have more accurate data).

Let’s say the first part of the domaining market is concerned with the monetization of type-in traffic. The majority of this is handled via parking companies running through google and yahoo feeds. Let’s start with the google companies and how much revenue they pull in (a large part of this is then passed over to domainers). The biggest is clearly DomainSponsor, which in my guess pulls in $12 million in revenue a month. Second is Sedo with about $5 million. Namedrive is around $3 million. Fabulous in my view is around $1 million. Then you have the other vanity/private feeds that could add up to another $2 million. That’s about $23 million for the google co’s. Judging the size of the yahoo companies individually is more difficult for me, but my assumption is that they all add up to about 40% of the google co’s, so let’s say that’s another $10 million.  So we have about $33 million flowing into the parking companies every month. Then you have the alternative monetization, which covers everything from affiliate, lead-generation, minisites, zero-click (such as our Elephant Traffic). That is much more difficult to gauge but it could probably be another $5 million a month. So we’re at $38 million/month that is tied strictly to the monetization of type-in traffic of domains. With hopefully monetization slightly improving this year, we can probably peg the size of this market to about $500 million for 2010.

The second main part of the domaining market is concerned with buying and selling domains. This is an area I am much less focused on so I would appreciate the help and reader’s opinions. What we can probably agree on is that Sedo is probably the market leader in this, doing about $100 million a year in sales. Name Media should be around $25 million. Moniker and Rick Latona probably do about $10 million each through their auctions/brokerage/newsletters. Then you have the drop-catching marketplaces (namejet, snapnames, TDNAM, pool), where I am not exactly sure, but my guess is about $30 million a year in total from them (?). Then you have the reported private sales or sales through various non-domaining venues, which probably come to $10 million. And then there is a massive market for portfolios, which are generally traded privately (sometimes through big brokers like Moniker and Namedrive, I am not counting them in their respetive numbers), which probably totals another $30 million a year. Then you have the more minor venues such as NDX Market, Flippa.com, Bido, domain blogs, forums etc, which probably account for another $10 million. If I add up all these visible/semi-visible sales that I mentioned here, we are at about $225 million/year. But then there is a huge market of private deals we never get to here about, not just in .com but across all the various other cctlds. That isn’t almost impossible to gauge, but it is definitely about $50 million/year, it could even be $100-150 million quite easily.

Then you have the other components of the domain business, which I do not really want to include, such as the registrar business, development etc. But those are really not domaining. But if we could include parts of them that are directly tied to domaining, it’s obvious that together with the monetization of type-in traffic and domain sales it adds up to a $1 billion business annually. It’s fun to be part of a billion dollar business, isn’t it?

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Looking at Bido, it seems pretty damn hard to build a new viable aftermarket platform

I was just looking through Bido at the recent sales page. Since Bido get’s so much PR and buzz, I was really surprised about the miniscule amount of volume in dollar terms. Looks like on a typical day maybe $1,000-$1,500 of sales go through. That’s $100-150 of margin for Bido a day. And a hell of a lot of effort is put into that from Sahar’s team with no doubt to even get that result. I don’t really want to show off or anything, but just to put that number in context, I make that kind of money in less than 10 minutes, 24 hours a day, just from parking.

What the example of Bido clearly shows us is how difficult it really is to create a new viable aftermarket platform and especially get the model right. I think Sahar&co will really have to fundamentally change Bido’s model and I sincerely wish them a lot of luck, because any efforts like this help increase liquidity, which is always positive for all of us.

Overall, if you look  at the various aftermarket platform models, I think only some work very well, some moderately and some don’t at all.

Somebody who I think got the aftermarket model working really well is Namemedia with BuyDomains etc. Why it is so nicely profitable is that to a large degree, Namemedia is what I call in the business of proprietary domain trading. They own the inventory (or most of it) that they sell, hence their margins are really thick. Whereas others just rely on their 10% cut, Namemedia takes almost 100%. That’s why they can market their names proactively. Dark Blue Sea has been trying to do something similar to that with it’s Domain Distribution Network, but they are clearly not even close to as good as NameMedia is on this.

Another aftermarket model that I think makes a lot of sense is the dropcatching-to-auction model of Namejet, Snapnames and Pool. If you create liquidity in the marketplace, you can snap up domains for $7 and sell them for $79 or even thousands of dollars. Obviously most of the inventory comes from preferred registrar partnerships so the margins are not that high (as they have to give a big chunk to the registrars), but these dropcatching services definitely take a bigger cut than 10% that for example Bido or Sedo rely on.

Rick Latona gets it right as well through his whole aftermarket package (newsletter, auctions, active brokering). He also engages in what I call a lot of proprietary trading, a lot of the inventory he sells is his.

To a lesser degree I don’t think the whole marketplace model of Sedo (on a standalone basis) is that awesome and profitable. On a typical month, Sedo sells something like $6 million in inventory, with a 10% margin of $600k roughly. However Sedo has a HUGE overhead to keep this operation running, spends significant amounts on marketing etc. There’s probably very little left of the $600k a month after all the costs. However why this model seems to work is the marketplace’s impact on Sedo’s parking business. Because of the marketplace, Sedo gets a lot of parking business, where it can make thicker margins. Pretty much all the small guys making $50 a month on parking park with Sedo now, but they probably have thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of them so it adds up. The impact of the marketplace on the parking side of the business is exactly why Namedrive went into this business with its NDX Market. Overall clearly, on a standalone basis, the marketplace model is nothing very profitable.

So bottom line is that if you want the marketplace model to work, you really need some kind of upsell to make it work – to parking, a registrar or something like that.

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